Saturday, August 10, 2019

梦境探索的同路人和老师

8 8 2019

今天的【夢境深層探索】工作坊,踏入课室,已经马上就要开始了的状态,虽然还没有到时间。这位老师真的这么interesting!? 当然!梦境的力量!

更令我非常惊讶的是weekday workshop,那么多人参加!

看到这些参加者梦,一念无明、迷惘的样子,直觉告诉我,太多人需要解梦!

霎那间,我仿佛回到我的初衷:那是五年多前的梦!梦境的召唤 - 我要搞梦境探索工作坊,我的梦境自我疗愈的经验,也是集体潜意识的一部分,一定可以benefit people living in nightmares and in confusion! 

第一眼见到Peter老师,我想:一定可以学到很多东西.

整个工作坊,Peter给我们的印象是非常温和,nice,谦卑, rich in experiences in dream coaching and psych-counselling。


渴望有一日再可以拜Peter老師為師,一起探索夢境,分享人生啟迪。 他喚起我繼續搞夢境治療課程!

以下是工作坊一些笔记、反思和我的感想:

老师一开始先听听参加者的心声,带出一些参加者的疑问。迷惑和想探索的课题:
从来都没有梦
不记得梦
童年梦
重复的梦
噩梦
清明梦
如何可以操控梦境
如何发在梦里梦想成真的梦
为什么会有梦?有什么意思在里面?
只发白日梦
sleep illusion...

这些问题,都在我的一些slides里有提到,确实,这些都是人们对梦境迷思不解和误会。



老师的讲解,我非常认同,加上我自己的一些理解,撮要如下:
1
每个人都会发梦,只是不记得,没有梦是不可能的,除非大脑有功能障碍或失眠,没有睡过觉

2
想要记得梦,醒来不要马上动身,停留在迷迷糊糊中一两分钟,想想刚才有什么在脑海里,什么画面?什么声音?什么故事?什么令你觉得奇怪、有趣或兴奋的画面,慢慢从这一里出发,把一个个场景想一次,之后一定要写下来。

3
解梦的态度: Attitude is everything!


很多人把自己的噩梦怪就在外界或不知何方的怪物来骚扰自己!
埋怨梦境太多,睡得不好!
一提起梦境,就有很强的rejection,不接受!
一千个不喜欢!

如果相信这个世界有因果关系,那么,不同的态度对待自己的梦境,就会有完全不同的结果,不同的命运!

这是我为工作坊制作的slide:其中一张我最喜欢的: 简直是令我从心里笑出来

我很认同老的做法。他问:
who is the dreamer? who makes your sleep dreams? day dreams?
It is you!
who is watching the dreams? who knows your the dreams shown every sleep moment?
It is You!

梦是谁发的?自己!
梦是谁在看?自己!
梦境是自拍自导自演的电影,连观众都是自己!

Our dreams are looking for WHO AM I?WHERE AM I NOW? WHAT DO I need and How to face challenges?

关键是: 找回自己!找回对梦境的认同感,亲和力,要有一种他/她/它是我自己内心的孩子,我的根子,是自己生的,尤其是噩梦:它们不是从天而降,不是来搞事的!不是搞死棍!而是我们生命的天使,精神财富和spiritual gift!


为什么这样强调对自己梦境的归属感,认同感呢?因为没有这些,就不可能有同理心,不可能有谦卑的好奇的心去了解自己,也没有一种亲和力和勇气去接近潜意识脆弱的一面,当我们真的想任回自己亲生的孩子,有一种情感连结,这个孩子才会打心扉,讲出自己的心底话,解梦的第一关,打开自己的心扉!

我的课程和工作坊,也是把attitude  放在首位:我写出这样的slide:

經常為自己:
人為什麼會發夢?
夢與我有什麼關係?
夢意味著什麼?
訴說著什麼?
夢將引我去何方?
為什麼要做自己的解夢師?

确实,在这里,我找到知音和同路人,我的老师。

4
梦境的意义,不是从表面画面可以理解的,每一个物件,东西,人物,过程,都是有象征意义的: 一点看全观: feeling carry meanings, and prediction is very accurate usually), once you know one meaning, you get all meanings and all dream meanings come out , 好多insights,如泉水涌上!

我曾经解过几位朋友的梦境,第一个梦境一解开,其他的哗啦啦的全部解开了。

发出认同!

Example 1
a dream: Car in fire on the way to wedding ceremony, a symptom of the love relationship is not stable and on fire
prophecy: finally the relationship was broken up

Example 2
Dalai Lama went into his dream, he thought about he is probably need healing or he can get some help from the high man: 高人。

a kind of spiritual dreams, touch to a high level of himself

Now Peter is going to India, I am wondering he is driven by his Dalailama dream. A dream =er who is following his dream insight. A typical dreamer.


Example 3

洗衣机的梦:
和前度一起的时候,梦中自己问洗衣的问题,前度说,洗吧。非常冷淡。梦醒后的感觉是不舒服的,有苦涅的感觉,提醒关系出了问题。

解梦的画面和感觉,feelings,five senses, actions, body languages. 感觉比画面更需要,就算不记得画面,记得感觉,也可以带来一些insights,找到一些对克服当下挑战的方法、认知和清晰自己的位置。 ( exactly: 我有些梦只是一句话,或一个画面,或醒来的感觉,都给我重要的启示,做出不同的选择)

我想起 CARL JUNG said


4
Dream can cure diseases

An example offered by a participant : after a dream, the dreamer's diseases was cured and he was recovered. Amazing. ( That is possible and I personally had the experience: my insomnia was cured and was recovered from depression)

Sleep dreams , I believe, is self hypnosis during sleep conditions. As hypnotherapy can cure disease and help to improve immunity, so does sleep dreams or lucid dreams or day dreams. ( My feedback in my mind). Like visualization, it can bring unbelievably motivation to people who has dream to accomplish.

My dreams always drive me to pursuit my dreams , meaning of life.

The teacher's HK dream: living in Scotland, he had repetitive dreams about his childhood in HK, he grew up in HK. Then he moved back to HK and stayed for 19 years.

Dreams are power, are energy!

5
Even Jung need Jung to help and give feedback: meaning:  dream interpretation is an interactive process with people, better not to do it alone. Always find someone who can listen and you trust with whenever an unforgettable dreams occur, esp. very wield dream, nightmares.

6
很高兴老师说梦境里的人生是更真实,vivid,没有面具。

一个个案说自己很好呀,没有什么事。但老师为他最近有什么梦吗?他马上说出一个可怕的梦境:马桶里的粪便直涌而上,淹没了房间...来到他的嘴唇下

不言而喻,他内心的矛盾和压力,或不安是不能再掩盖了。梦境 speaks for itself.

想起Jung的这些指导性的理论:








6
Dreams are multi meaningful,   有时,它的预兆性, 它的深度,可以在几年后发现,not just one meaning but beyond, deeper and wider than the dream surface itself. ( Exactly, like some nightmares, if we don't treat it seriously, it just happen soon or later, and must happen if we don't  make a change in our habit, attitudes and belief ,,,, death! one day it happen because our habit is so damaging to our health, our dreams have predicted and warn us to get rid of bad habits, to listen to our inner voice) 






Dreams sometimes are very horrible and caused trauma, if we don't find professional to help. Dreams are gifted only we have a positive attitude to see it, to understand it and to make different choice and practice your choice in daily life. It is not true that everyone can interpret dreams in a constructive way. That is why we need to study our dreams!

Some participants' dreams need to be followed seriously. Otherwise the nightmares will do come true. Vert damaging to health and life for sure!

7
Everyone is unique. Now one's dreams are the same to others. Respect individual and respect people's belief, value system and religions...

8
Sleep illusion

A gentle man shared his pre-sleep dreams, he called it as sleep illusion. In psychology, it is the same as sleep dreams. No matter it is illusion or day dreams or lucid dreams or even waking up dreams in daily life, esp. om trance conditions.

Fully agreed.


(我的看法:不論是白日夢,清醒夢,睡眠夢還是情緒爆發,不論白天還是夜晚,人都是處於發夢狀態,只是在不同的層次, 不同的空间和“清醒度”。

解夢之後,我們發現,不少噩夢 - 睡眠中的噩夢比現實更現實,比真實更真實,因為我們被喚醒,被覺知,行動力的爆發,比任何時候都有自發性,理性和人性。

這個時候的改變,會最有價值和突破,歷史也會被改寫,自己的歷史會直接影響世界的歷史,只要我們利用潛意識帶來的共時性。

可惜的是,如果人的自我防禦機制太強,不主動去面對,理解噩夢...噩夢就會變成實現。)

7
Dreams are there to knock your door to wake you up; your inner self ( super self, your ID, your inner child, reality self), they just want you to see them, to understand them

梦境是我们内在的自己,帮我们敲开潜意识大门,带我们进去,看看一个完全没有面具的自己,一个赤裸裸的自己,听听它的声音,明白它的需要,理解它的渴望,要我们面对挑战,接受生命的礼物。

人的巨大改变,身体上和心理上发出信息( 如疾病或心理不平衡,焦虑m不安),但意识上却没有反应或自我压抑,这些往往成为梦境的素材,改变的信息已经在梦境里发出,改变的彩排也在梦境里发生, 然后变成意识上的执行力,改变就真正开始!
Any fundamental change starts from sleep dreams, day dreams.

Any renovation started in dreams first before it become reality.

8
Practices

1) recalling dreams

2) feeling the feeling in the dreams, what do u think of? Using free association...

A lady shared her dream called Masked uncle:

Her mother died 2 years ago, her niece is her loved relatives. She hated his uncle extremely.
IN the dream, her mother took her niece to her room. She spoke so many things to her, missed her , love her mother so much that she told her lots of her secret. Suddenly her mother took off her mask, That was his uncle, her enemy in her mind.

She thought she was always taken advantages by others, by  his uncle... and she thought the uncle is her tenant, a Japanese lady.  She has lots of arguments with her recently. She realized that she is taking her advantages.

As dream has different level, she did not check the relationship with her uncle but others. I don't think this dream can make her a transformation

for me, i would ask her if she came to me for dream consultancy:

a) why did you uncle appear in your dream? why did u was shocked so much?
b) why did you tell your mom so much about your miss her, love her...
c) why did your niece appear in the dream, hand in hand with your mom?

lots of issues beneath the surface of ur confrontation between your tenant and you? more rooted caused in the dream, telling you to face the origin of the shadow , issues and not just the surface, that is only a trigger.

So  什么是trigger,什么是根源,什么是问题?

不少人以为找到梦境的真谛了,其实那只是trigger,解梦是要了找问题的根源,是来解决问题的,如果解梦没有帮助自己改变现状,或者更加愤怒,不安和困扰,噩梦会继续来!

因为时间关系,老师没有提及梦境的多层意义,ONION power
没有用集体潜意识的智慧和疗愈

只能放眼在个人潜意识,认为,梦境是要靠自己解,治疗师只是一个媒介,一个guider, 一个辅助者。我认同的,在短时间,我们的重点先要放在搞好attitude上,让参加者回去自己再探索。

对于一些非常可怕的梦境。 离开梦境一些,想象你站在高空看着下面发生的情景,然后,你有什么感觉?你可以感受他们的感受吗?你联想到什么?走进他们的心里,他们的动作,他们的身体语言,他们的语句里。

3) use body movement, I think it a kind of kinetic hypnosis, go back to the dreams, what do you want to do in the dreams, Donald Trump dream: he is try to sneak Peter's soul, Peter tried to protect himself and to protect himself , to get his thing back. Oh, he want to protect his soul.

In the dream , he just lost voice, he could not cry out but despite his shouting without sound. 灭声了, 好可怕!

4) if you are the bad guy or the role in the dreams, what do you do?  Actually this is what we said: all subjects in dreams are part of yourself, or projection of your thoughts,belief or attitude or emotions.

A cancer patient had repetitive dream about a bump in his body, then the teacher asked: if you are the bump, what do you do? He said, I want to explode 爆炸!

After dream therapy, he survived for another 4 years despite he was diagnosed to be live for 2 months only.

5)对于一些非常可怕的梦境。 离开梦境一些,想象你站在高空看着下面发生的情景,然后,你有什么感觉?你可以感受他们的感受吗?你联想到什么?走进他们的心里,他们的动作,他们的身体语言,他们的语句里。

这个过程,我想到解梦的另一个一个方法360度集体解梦- 每个人都代入梦境,或对造梦者提出问题,也讲出自己的感受,如果这是我自己的梦,或这个梦者和我有什么类似,梦境得意义对我有什么启发和共鸣,提醒。

Peter also found that his above dream is to take back his soul that belongs to him.

9 dreams are rehearsal of future challenge

To some dreams, this is exactly what I said: it is not only a prediction but it happens in dreams first and then it take place in real life because dream power.

所有的renovation 先在梦境中发生,然后就成为现实!

When a big change comes, it comes first in dream, either day dreams or sleep dreams or starts in body reaction in terms of diseases ( inner confrontation) and then change happens in terms of action  and the body starts to react some times - change for better

Any Significant changes happen in dreams first. A practice and rehearsal for transformation.

10 Dream has its series ,consecutive features.

He dreamed that his car crushed the first , a train crushed the second when he used it and then an airplane he was in was hijacked in Iraq.

It was a dream of his relationship to be broken up. He treated dreams a his life gift, wisdom ...

老师和我都认同:如果一个噩梦没有解开,心结没有化解,人没有改变,噩梦继续来,一个长篇剧说不定,可以写一部小说!

老师说,有的人梦境里要离开一个地方就可以避开矛盾,避开不想间的人,但其实是避不了的,因为潜意识里的敌人还存在,就会投射到外界,不论去到哪里,问题再次发生,结婚又离婚,再结婚,都是没有快乐。因为内在没有安顿,没有和解。

也许这是他自己的人生经历。

【夢境深層探索】工作坊 8 8 2019 有感
https://www.facebook.com/donnawinter2000/posts/10214759321402112

真的很興奮,可以見到一位對心理學家Carl Jung的理論理解的那麼透徹,深入, 發揮夢境的力量那麼powerful的老師- Mr Perter Lloyd. 渴望有一日可以再次拜Peter為師,和他一起暢談探索夢境的體驗,分享夢境的insights和啟迪。


Peter的【夢境深層探索】工作坊,對我衝擊很大,我再一次看見:太多人對夢境迷惑,甚至有誤解和偏見,有的只是好奇,怕知道自己的內在在講什麼,有些人已經ready做解夢輔導!
Peter的精神,參加者渴望和需求的心情,喚起我繼續搞夢境治療課程!

Peter的經驗分享,也喚起我好多回憶和共鳴。
他的解梦自我体验,一个个自我反省的个案,他的梦境自我疗愈的经历,最后得出的心得和enlightenment,( how to approach , why feeling is more important than anything in dream therapy, reality v.s.symbols, how to recall dreams and how to make dreams as our best teachers, inner parents and best friends) 句句说到我的心底里,太多共鸣。有一种莫名的认同感,觉得自己也被看到,被明白,被理解的感觉。

平时我分享自己用解梦医好失眠和引领我去追梦,创梦的过程;我帮助家人用解梦疏解压力和走出哀伤,帮助客户和朋友们了解自我,突破自我的个案,感觉还是有些令别人难以置信,真的吗?

这次听大师级Peter老师的分享,感觉找到同路人,因为我也有这样的故事,梦境治疗,turn sleep dreams into life transformation  的 practical experiences. Indeed, dreams tie us together.

加上華山的翻譯,精準兼清晰,也許是今天最好的夢境探索的翻譯人選,因為華山深厚的心理學根基,也令我們得益眾多,好久沒有聽到華山談夢了。記得華山說了一句話,是對我做催眠解夢工作極大的激勵:“你的經驗一定可以幫助很多人!”

是的,沒有DP,就不會有我的夢境治療和身心助人工作,DP給我一個夢想成真的平台!心存感恩!今天,我要再次多謝華山和DP的導師們,幫助我的朋友們,和我一起發夢,創夢的的伙伴們!

感謝Peter給我力量,那是夢境的力量,潛意識的力量。

記住:夢境是我們內在的自己,幫我們敲開潛意識大門,帶我們進去,看看一個完全沒有面具的自己,一個赤裸裸的自己,聽聽它的聲音,明白它的需要,理解它的渴望,要我們面對挑戰,接受生命的禮物。

https://carl-jung.net/dream_example.html
Carl Jung > Dream Interpretation

https://quotesgram.com/inner-voice-quotes/
Inner voice quotes


Reference:
Peter Lloyd :夢境深層探索
發夢,是我們潛意識的底蘊,比真實更真實。
我們非常榮幸邀請到 Peter Lloyd 來分享他和 Process Oriented Psychology (過程心理學),讓我們學習如何解夢。Peter 會講述夢境的深層意義和價值,道出解夢的原則、方法、邏輯,以及需要注意的事項,也回提出具體的夢境,作為案例,讓大家理解夢境的深層符號象徵意義!
Peter Lloyd 是資深治療師和跨信仰牧師。是 Positive News HK 的前主編; 十年前在香港創辦 Interfaith Dialogue, 連結並協作不同修行門派交流的平台。Peter 從 2010 的應用和探索 Process Work (POP), 是非常資深又口碑載道的生命導師。
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發夢,是我們和潛意識的橋樑。
我們非常榮幸邀請到 Peter Lloyd 來分享他和 Process Oriented Psychology (過程心理學),讓我們學習如何解夢。Peter會先講述解夢的精粹,然後即時分析大家提出的夢境,大家還可以體驗能量療癒大休息,可能當下還會發一個白日夢或者清明夢!

Peter Lloyd 是資深治療師和跨信仰牧師。是 Positive News HK 的前主編; 十年前在香港創辦 Interfaith Dialogue, 連結並協作不同修行門派交流的平台。Peter 從 2010 的應用和探索 Process Work (POP), 是非常資深又口碑載道的生命導師。

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